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		<title>By: Mort Persky</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/rough-geni/#comment-10089</link>
		<dc:creator>Mort Persky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a Geni &quot;member&quot; who hasn&#039;t a clue how to get in touch with anybody at Geni. Has anybody given Geni a good chewing-out about that? What and why are they hiding -- while also telling me to &quot;feel free&quot; to ask Grant Brunner, whom they call their &quot;community outreach&quot; guy, any question I like, but without telling me how to reach him? And is it true there&#039;s only one &quot;community outreach&quot; guy to handle all outside contact for a website that wants to string the world&#039;s billions together? Come to think of it, I&#039;d be running away from that too -- but doesn&#039;t Geni have to open a gate somewhere and let in the voices of their paying customers? Have others found the gate I can&#039;t find?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Geni &#8220;member&#8221; who hasn&#8217;t a clue how to get in touch with anybody at Geni. Has anybody given Geni a good chewing-out about that? What and why are they hiding &#8212; while also telling me to &#8220;feel free&#8221; to ask Grant Brunner, whom they call their &#8220;community outreach&#8221; guy, any question I like, but without telling me how to reach him? And is it true there&#8217;s only one &#8220;community outreach&#8221; guy to handle all outside contact for a website that wants to string the world&#8217;s billions together? Come to think of it, I&#8217;d be running away from that too &#8212; but doesn&#8217;t Geni have to open a gate somewhere and let in the voices of their paying customers? Have others found the gate I can&#8217;t find?</p>
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		<title>By: Schelly Dardashti</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/rough-geni/#comment-10088</link>
		<dc:creator>Schelly Dardashti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone else remember Familion? They also claimed to be building the family tree of the world. As far as I can tell, they no longer exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else remember Familion? They also claimed to be building the family tree of the world. As far as I can tell, they no longer exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Debby</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/rough-geni/#comment-10087</link>
		<dc:creator>Debby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 06:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen references to We Relate, Wikitree, Our Family Tree, and Appletree. I&#039;ve bookmarked them for further study, but frankly, after the experience with Geni.com, I&#039;m leery of trusting another family tree site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen references to We Relate, Wikitree, Our Family Tree, and Appletree. I&#8217;ve bookmarked them for further study, but frankly, after the experience with Geni.com, I&#8217;m leery of trusting another family tree site.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Whitten</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/rough-geni/#comment-10086</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Whitten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patricia: Why a single shared tree?

I don&#039;t see it as something genealogists create for themselves. Genealogists have already researched their family tree. They know their roots.

A shared tree is something that genealogists can give to the rest of the world.

Almost everyone wants to know where they come from. Everyone has some interest in their family history. But very few have the high degree of motivation and discipline to do the research. Only a few people are real genealogists.

So, when you contribute your research to WikiTree, I don&#039;t see it as a selfish act. I see it as something you do for others. With every contribution, with every step toward a worldwide family tree, it becomes easier for anyone and everyone to discover their roots.

There are definitely benefits to participating. Many genealogists -- even some dedicated genealogists who have been researching for many years -- have reported that WikiTree helped them discover new information and connect with cousins they never knew existed. There are a few examples here: http://www.wikitree.com/about/quotes.html and the press release from yesterday has a few more: http://www.geneapress.com/2011/08/wikitree-traffic-jumps-30.html

And although we don&#039;t actively encourage it, WikiTree can be used in a completely selfish way. You could just add a few generations of modern family history and use it to share with your close family members. You can keep everything locked-up behind privacy protections. We have an &quot;Unlisted&quot; privacy level that means even the name isn&#039;t public. And it&#039;s easy to change the privacy level of every profile you&#039;re managing on one form.

Even participating on this level helps the WikiTree mission, as long as you don&#039;t mind if more distant cousins connect your modern family history with the worldwide tree. Your modern family history would still be locked-up for only those you allow to see it, but it would be seamlessly connected back to deeper, widely-shared ancestry.

Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patricia: Why a single shared tree?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see it as something genealogists create for themselves. Genealogists have already researched their family tree. They know their roots.</p>
<p>A shared tree is something that genealogists can give to the rest of the world.</p>
<p>Almost everyone wants to know where they come from. Everyone has some interest in their family history. But very few have the high degree of motivation and discipline to do the research. Only a few people are real genealogists.</p>
<p>So, when you contribute your research to WikiTree, I don&#8217;t see it as a selfish act. I see it as something you do for others. With every contribution, with every step toward a worldwide family tree, it becomes easier for anyone and everyone to discover their roots.</p>
<p>There are definitely benefits to participating. Many genealogists &#8212; even some dedicated genealogists who have been researching for many years &#8212; have reported that WikiTree helped them discover new information and connect with cousins they never knew existed. There are a few examples here: <a href="http://www.wikitree.com/about/quotes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikitree.com/about/quotes.html</a> and the press release from yesterday has a few more: <a href="http://www.geneapress.com/2011/08/wikitree-traffic-jumps-30.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.geneapress.com/2011/08/wikitree-traffic-jumps-30.html</a></p>
<p>And although we don&#8217;t actively encourage it, WikiTree can be used in a completely selfish way. You could just add a few generations of modern family history and use it to share with your close family members. You can keep everything locked-up behind privacy protections. We have an &#8220;Unlisted&#8221; privacy level that means even the name isn&#8217;t public. And it&#8217;s easy to change the privacy level of every profile you&#8217;re managing on one form.</p>
<p>Even participating on this level helps the WikiTree mission, as long as you don&#8217;t mind if more distant cousins connect your modern family history with the worldwide tree. Your modern family history would still be locked-up for only those you allow to see it, but it would be seamlessly connected back to deeper, widely-shared ancestry.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Were you too rough on Geni?  Absolutely not!! What do I think of a world family tree?  To echo what Linda has already said, a total nightmare!  I have had instances where I contacted people who had incorrect information posted and, even with proof, they refused to change the incorrect information.  I don&#039;t need nor want to deal with that.

As for Geni, they have made it impossible to remove a tree which someone uploaded himself.  Why does Geni now think that the tree belongs to them?  If someone uploads a tree, he should be able to delete that tree.  Also, someone who uploaded a tree cannot edit those people in his tree which are beyond 3rd great grandparents. So, Geni takes the information that we have spend over 15 years gathering, and makes us pay to remove it before someone else with a Pro account comes along and takes all of our hard work with just a click of the mouse button?  How can anyone consider this a good business practice?  I don&#039;t.  I call it robbery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were you too rough on Geni?  Absolutely not!! What do I think of a world family tree?  To echo what Linda has already said, a total nightmare!  I have had instances where I contacted people who had incorrect information posted and, even with proof, they refused to change the incorrect information.  I don&#8217;t need nor want to deal with that.</p>
<p>As for Geni, they have made it impossible to remove a tree which someone uploaded himself.  Why does Geni now think that the tree belongs to them?  If someone uploads a tree, he should be able to delete that tree.  Also, someone who uploaded a tree cannot edit those people in his tree which are beyond 3rd great grandparents. So, Geni takes the information that we have spend over 15 years gathering, and makes us pay to remove it before someone else with a Pro account comes along and takes all of our hard work with just a click of the mouse button?  How can anyone consider this a good business practice?  I don&#8217;t.  I call it robbery.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/rough-geni/#comment-10084</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I hope will happen out of all this is that companies generally (whether Geni or any other companies) will go back to the old standard of what a contract is:  agreement between a WILLING seller and a WILLING buyer, whether actual cash is exchanged or not.  Reserving the &quot;right&quot; to change things without so much as a by-your-leave to those customers who are, in the case of Geni, providing the content from which the company hopes to profit is arrogant in the extreme.

People need to be able to give informed consent to any agreement they sign, not blindly accede to having conditions changed behind their backs.  This and the &quot;shrink-wrap license&quot; were foisted upon us before we knew what was going on -- companies pulled a fast one, and both these concepts should have been tested in court before they were allowed to become &quot;precedent.&quot; 

So, fellow genealogists, continue having high standards and holding these companies accountable!

Noah:  Geni is not unique with the &#039;world tree&#039; concept.  Not only is WikiTree doing it, but WeRelate is also doing it.  Where you got the idea you were unique is beyond me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I hope will happen out of all this is that companies generally (whether Geni or any other companies) will go back to the old standard of what a contract is:  agreement between a WILLING seller and a WILLING buyer, whether actual cash is exchanged or not.  Reserving the &#8220;right&#8221; to change things without so much as a by-your-leave to those customers who are, in the case of Geni, providing the content from which the company hopes to profit is arrogant in the extreme.</p>
<p>People need to be able to give informed consent to any agreement they sign, not blindly accede to having conditions changed behind their backs.  This and the &#8220;shrink-wrap license&#8221; were foisted upon us before we knew what was going on &#8212; companies pulled a fast one, and both these concepts should have been tested in court before they were allowed to become &#8220;precedent.&#8221; </p>
<p>So, fellow genealogists, continue having high standards and holding these companies accountable!</p>
<p>Noah:  Geni is not unique with the &#8216;world tree&#8217; concept.  Not only is WikiTree doing it, but WeRelate is also doing it.  Where you got the idea you were unique is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Coffin</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/rough-geni/#comment-10083</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Coffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh oh, WikiTree&#039;s mission is also to create a single tree? Sigh...I&#039;m going to go hug my genealogy software now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh oh, WikiTree&#8217;s mission is also to create a single tree? Sigh&#8230;I&#8217;m going to go hug my genealogy software now.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/rough-geni/#comment-10077</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;rough-geni from geneabloggers.com http://t.co/xaEwKfv  Interesting thoughts which seem to have the backing of the majority of your readers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">rough-geni from geneabloggers.com <a href="http://t.co/xaEwKfv" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/xaEwKfv</a>  Interesting thoughts which seem to have the backing of the majority of your readers.</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Pointer</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/rough-geni/#comment-10076</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Pointer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Nope.--&gt; RT @tmacentee: Was I too rough on Geni? http://t.co/75AFNS9 #genealogy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Nope.&#8211;&gt; RT @tmacentee: Was I too rough on Geni? <a href="http://t.co/75AFNS9" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/75AFNS9</a> #genealogy</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No.......Were they to rough on us?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No&#8230;&#8230;.Were they to rough on us?</p>
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