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		<title>By: Magda</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/money-genealogy-2012-update/#comment-11740</link>
		<dc:creator>Magda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom , you are one of the most generous people out there . We learn so much from you . Thank you for all you have done in all these years to help us get out there too . There is no doubt that you give many of us that shot of confidence . I have been lucky on  $20.00 an hour  - only research offline reading films , courthouse stuff, newspapers for folks  and I help many locals at my library . I sort of spend my volunteer time out of my overflow energy and not my reserve energy . Only huge investment was I need to keep changing my glasses !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom , you are one of the most generous people out there . We learn so much from you . Thank you for all you have done in all these years to help us get out there too . There is no doubt that you give many of us that shot of confidence . I have been lucky on  $20.00 an hour  &#8211; only research offline reading films , courthouse stuff, newspapers for folks  and I help many locals at my library . I sort of spend my volunteer time out of my overflow energy and not my reserve energy . Only huge investment was I need to keep changing my glasses !</p>
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		<title>By: Genea-Musings: How Do I Make Money in Genealogy? &#124; genealogygen.com</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/money-genealogy-2012-update/#comment-11739</link>
		<dc:creator>Genea-Musings: How Do I Make Money in Genealogy? &#124; genealogygen.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in Genealogy?    Yesterday&#8217;s topic in Thomas MacEntee&#8217;s series on money in genealogy is How Do You Make Money in Genealogy? describes his income producing activities, his administrative and overhead activities, and his [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in Genealogy?    Yesterday&#8217;s topic in Thomas MacEntee&#8217;s series on money in genealogy is How Do You Make Money in Genealogy? describes his income producing activities, his administrative and overhead activities, and his [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Parker</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/money-genealogy-2012-update/#comment-11738</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very sobering. I&#039;m not a professional genealogist, but I have toyed with the idea now and then (when work was slow). But I don&#039;t think I could do all of the things you do without going insane. I just love the research, discovery and connecting the dots. Guess I&#039;ll keep my day job :) Thanks for revealing the reality of being a professional genealogist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very sobering. I&#8217;m not a professional genealogist, but I have toyed with the idea now and then (when work was slow). But I don&#8217;t think I could do all of the things you do without going insane. I just love the research, discovery and connecting the dots. Guess I&#8217;ll keep my day job <img src='http://geneabloggers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for revealing the reality of being a professional genealogist.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/money-genealogy-2012-update/#comment-11737</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe you disclosed all of that but I am glad you did.  It was very eyeopening.  I only do a little paid work here and there.  Most of what I do is for myself or gratis.  I made my money working part time as an ER nurse :)  I think there is so much more to a real genealogy business than most people know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe you disclosed all of that but I am glad you did.  It was very eyeopening.  I only do a little paid work here and there.  Most of what I do is for myself or gratis.  I made my money working part time as an ER nurse <img src='http://geneabloggers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I think there is so much more to a real genealogy business than most people know.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl-Michael Sala</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/money-genealogy-2012-update/#comment-11736</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl-Michael Sala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Long story short: My professional perspective is derived from the fact that I am a near-death experience survivor.  I believe these ancestral family members WANT to be found, appreciated, recognized, etc.  

50% of my time is pro bono.

Caveat:  &#039;tis I who decides how, when, where &amp; for whom the pro bono is administered{:&gt;)

1) @ the Mesa, Arizona Regional FHC tactfully teaching the staff &amp; patrons how to use the ScanPro2000 miracle machine &amp; 

2) cracking European genealogy research cases there and on a FEW of FamilySearch&#039;s Facebook Communities:  &quot;Germany/Prussia Genealogy Research&quot;  

Since 2009, my blog/brag/URL/website is SEOd for the keyword &quot;german genealogist&quot; This position was developed by my webmaster, Paul Andrew Johnson   Everyone cannot be #1, but I have consistently been there since 2009.  

This organic position has developed Lynell &amp; me several &quot;smaller retainer&quot; clients, a few medium-sized clients, but TWO huge clients that we would NOT have found any other way!  

One is now @ $33,000; the other from South Africa is @ $20,000.  Both are successful businessmen who just simply cannot read that old German handwriting &amp; also have no clue about where to go, even if they could decipher it!

FACT: Most people have THOUSANDS of $ worth of research to be done. If you want to be profitable AND serve your clients, cease &amp; desist asking for a few hundred $, when a few thousand is often more appropriate.

Please don&#039;t try to tell me this is greed.  All our clients know they get from us TWICE that for which they paid.  Why?  That is what most of us genealogists do anyway, is it not? 

Hourly rate? I don&#039;t have one.  Why not? It&#039;s that principle of “a buck four eighty.” I&#039;m a genealogy fool. 

I&#039;d rather crack a case than watch TV.  If you knew how to shoot 3-pointers with a 80+% rate, you&#039;d be shootin&#039; &#039;em, too.  Where much is given, much is required.  

On Linkedin.com, I have 103+ endearing endorsements.  Investment companies have now 5 times paid me $200/hr to consult with them about the online genealogy industry.  Where&#039;d they find me?  My website? Nope. Linkedin.com

&quot;Karl, we&#039;re going to have to clone you!&quot; Ancestry.com HR manager, Mike Moran.  Yes, I was THE very 1st person they handpicked for the short-lived but highly successful paid expert Ancestry.com Research Line.  Yes, I also served as THE primary European research consultant for Ancestry.de, i.e. the one who spoke German with German natives about where to go to solve their research dilemmas!  

When those entities were disbanded (tearfully to a great team), Lynell &amp; I opted to create GermanGenealogist.com. Best decision we ever made...  We are enthusiastically mentoring a friend with ItalyGenealogist.com{:&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long story short: My professional perspective is derived from the fact that I am a near-death experience survivor.  I believe these ancestral family members WANT to be found, appreciated, recognized, etc.  </p>
<p>50% of my time is pro bono.</p>
<p>Caveat:  &#8217;tis I who decides how, when, where &amp; for whom the pro bono is administered{:&gt;)</p>
<p>1) @ the Mesa, Arizona Regional FHC tactfully teaching the staff &amp; patrons how to use the ScanPro2000 miracle machine &amp; </p>
<p>2) cracking European genealogy research cases there and on a FEW of FamilySearch&#8217;s Facebook Communities:  &#8220;Germany/Prussia Genealogy Research&#8221;  </p>
<p>Since 2009, my blog/brag/URL/website is SEOd for the keyword &#8220;german genealogist&#8221; This position was developed by my webmaster, Paul Andrew Johnson   Everyone cannot be #1, but I have consistently been there since 2009.  </p>
<p>This organic position has developed Lynell &amp; me several &#8220;smaller retainer&#8221; clients, a few medium-sized clients, but TWO huge clients that we would NOT have found any other way!  </p>
<p>One is now @ $33,000; the other from South Africa is @ $20,000.  Both are successful businessmen who just simply cannot read that old German handwriting &amp; also have no clue about where to go, even if they could decipher it!</p>
<p>FACT: Most people have THOUSANDS of $ worth of research to be done. If you want to be profitable AND serve your clients, cease &amp; desist asking for a few hundred $, when a few thousand is often more appropriate.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t try to tell me this is greed.  All our clients know they get from us TWICE that for which they paid.  Why?  That is what most of us genealogists do anyway, is it not? </p>
<p>Hourly rate? I don&#8217;t have one.  Why not? It&#8217;s that principle of “a buck four eighty.” I&#8217;m a genealogy fool. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather crack a case than watch TV.  If you knew how to shoot 3-pointers with a 80+% rate, you&#8217;d be shootin&#8217; &#8216;em, too.  Where much is given, much is required.  </p>
<p>On Linkedin.com, I have 103+ endearing endorsements.  Investment companies have now 5 times paid me $200/hr to consult with them about the online genealogy industry.  Where&#8217;d they find me?  My website? Nope. Linkedin.com</p>
<p>&#8220;Karl, we&#8217;re going to have to clone you!&#8221; Ancestry.com HR manager, Mike Moran.  Yes, I was THE very 1st person they handpicked for the short-lived but highly successful paid expert Ancestry.com Research Line.  Yes, I also served as THE primary European research consultant for Ancestry.de, i.e. the one who spoke German with German natives about where to go to solve their research dilemmas!  </p>
<p>When those entities were disbanded (tearfully to a great team), Lynell &amp; I opted to create GermanGenealogist.com. Best decision we ever made&#8230;  We are enthusiastically mentoring a friend with ItalyGenealogist.com{:&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: Genedocs Wetpaint</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/money-genealogy-2012-update/#comment-11735</link>
		<dc:creator>Genedocs Wetpaint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 04:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas - this is a great and detailed synopsis of the reality of how time and money work out in a genealogy related career.  Thanks for sharing with the rest of us without holding any punches.  Excel is a fabulous tool for tracking so much - I too prefer it to MS PM although only took that college course two years ago ;-).

Keep up the phenomenal work you do and don&#039;t loose your child-like passion for seeing the fun in it all (with adult interludes of course when we need a real giggle).
 - Eric / Founder]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas &#8211; this is a great and detailed synopsis of the reality of how time and money work out in a genealogy related career.  Thanks for sharing with the rest of us without holding any punches.  Excel is a fabulous tool for tracking so much &#8211; I too prefer it to MS PM although only took that college course two years ago <img src='http://geneabloggers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Keep up the phenomenal work you do and don&#8217;t loose your child-like passion for seeing the fun in it all (with adult interludes of course when we need a real giggle).<br />
 &#8211; Eric / Founder</p>
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		<title>By: ProfessorDru</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/money-genealogy-2012-update/#comment-11734</link>
		<dc:creator>ProfessorDru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 01:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is quite enlightning, Thomas.  Thanks for sharing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite enlightning, Thomas.  Thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Shenette</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/money-genealogy-2012-update/#comment-11733</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Shenette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 00:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Thomas, for what you do and for being so candid.  This has been a very interesting discussion

I&#039;m a librarian and recently decided to start my own research business.  Not genealogy per se, but historic research with a focus on the business market.  A friend of mine does a lot of networking--the chamber of commerce, BNI, a women&#039;s network, etc.--and has invited me to a number of events. She&#039;s introduced me to other business people who seem rather intrigued with what I do.  Last week I had coffee with someone I networked with, and the woman hired me on the spot!  I&#039;ve noticed people in the business market don&#039;t seem to be put off by a reasonable hourly rate.  I am pretty outgoing and like talking with people so this approach seems to be working for me, at least so far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Thomas, for what you do and for being so candid.  This has been a very interesting discussion</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a librarian and recently decided to start my own research business.  Not genealogy per se, but historic research with a focus on the business market.  A friend of mine does a lot of networking&#8211;the chamber of commerce, BNI, a women&#8217;s network, etc.&#8211;and has invited me to a number of events. She&#8217;s introduced me to other business people who seem rather intrigued with what I do.  Last week I had coffee with someone I networked with, and the woman hired me on the spot!  I&#8217;ve noticed people in the business market don&#8217;t seem to be put off by a reasonable hourly rate.  I am pretty outgoing and like talking with people so this approach seems to be working for me, at least so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Newton-Carter</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/money-genealogy-2012-update/#comment-11732</link>
		<dc:creator>Debra Newton-Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading your list of activities has made my head spin and led to further exhaustion! How you ever find the time and energy is beyond me...

So, how do I make money with genealogy??? Since 2003 I have not earned one red cent. I have applied to NEH twice for independent scholar fellowships and been turned down twice. I have regrouped...started writing a blog at my archivist friend&#039;s urging, and changed the angle on my project which will eventually become a family history memoir...or an historical narrative. I used to pay for memberships to historical and genealogical societies...but found it got me nowhere but with too many journals to read. To date I have not been able to attend any conferences because of time and $$$. I work full-time as a Deli Manager to earn a living...which I hope changes someday...when we relocate to an area where there are more research and job opportunities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading your list of activities has made my head spin and led to further exhaustion! How you ever find the time and energy is beyond me&#8230;</p>
<p>So, how do I make money with genealogy??? Since 2003 I have not earned one red cent. I have applied to NEH twice for independent scholar fellowships and been turned down twice. I have regrouped&#8230;started writing a blog at my archivist friend&#8217;s urging, and changed the angle on my project which will eventually become a family history memoir&#8230;or an historical narrative. I used to pay for memberships to historical and genealogical societies&#8230;but found it got me nowhere but with too many journals to read. To date I have not been able to attend any conferences because of time and $$$. I work full-time as a Deli Manager to earn a living&#8230;which I hope changes someday&#8230;when we relocate to an area where there are more research and job opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia Watt</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/money-genealogy-2012-update/#comment-11731</link>
		<dc:creator>Alicia Watt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an extremely helpful post as I transition (or try to transition) from amateur to paid professional genealogist.  I always assumed this would be a part time job for me, and if I focus on research for others, it seems I am correct in that assumption.  It also highlights the need to keep up with technology, which I am NOT very good at.  Time to take another Excel class maybe?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an extremely helpful post as I transition (or try to transition) from amateur to paid professional genealogist.  I always assumed this would be a part time job for me, and if I focus on research for others, it seems I am correct in that assumption.  It also highlights the need to keep up with technology, which I am NOT very good at.  Time to take another Excel class maybe?</p>
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