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		<title>By: Thrifty Thursday &#8211; Even More Free Websites &#124; 1 Foot Planted Firmly on the Ground</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thrifty Thursday &#8211; Even More Free Websites &#124; 1 Foot Planted Firmly on the Ground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] but also their importance to the genealogy community.  In response to Thomas MacEntee&#8217;s post What Do You Mean It Isn’t Free?, I want to make it clear that I do place great value on the contributions of genealogists, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but also their importance to the genealogy community.  In response to Thomas MacEntee&#8217;s post What Do You Mean It Isn’t Free?, I want to make it clear that I do place great value on the contributions of genealogists, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What Do You Mean It Isn&#039;t Free – My Response &#124; 1 Foot Planted &#8230; &#124; The Genealogy</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Do You Mean It Isn&#039;t Free – My Response &#124; 1 Foot Planted &#8230; &#124; The Genealogy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] issues but also the perception that everything should be free when it comes to genealogy  [see What Do You Mean It Isn’t Free?].  Because of my present circumstances, my journey of Genealogy in the Recession, this made me a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] issues but also the perception that everything should be free when it comes to genealogy  [see What Do You Mean It Isn’t Free?].  Because of my present circumstances, my journey of Genealogy in the Recession, this made me a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What Do You Mean It Isn&#8217;t Free &#8211; My Response &#124; 1 Foot Planted Firmly on the Ground</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/genealogy-free-2012-update/#comment-11713</link>
		<dc:creator>What Do You Mean It Isn&#8217;t Free &#8211; My Response &#124; 1 Foot Planted Firmly on the Ground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] issues but also the perception that everything should be free when it comes to genealogy  [see What Do You Mean It Isn’t Free?].  Because of my present circumstances, my journey of Genealogy in the Recession, this made me a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] issues but also the perception that everything should be free when it comes to genealogy  [see What Do You Mean It Isn’t Free?].  Because of my present circumstances, my journey of Genealogy in the Recession, this made me a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Larcher</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/genealogy-free-2012-update/#comment-11712</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn Larcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas, I had to laugh when I read the discussion about professionals wanting to review the documents clients already possess. 

I once had clients who had already booked a trip to France, planning to stay in Orleans to research their ancestors from there. But when I looked at the actual documents, I was quickly able to determine that they were actually from the island of Oleron (near La Rochelle and hundreds of miles from Orleans)! Luckily the clients were able to tack on an expensive side trip and were quite pleased with the final result.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, I had to laugh when I read the discussion about professionals wanting to review the documents clients already possess. </p>
<p>I once had clients who had already booked a trip to France, planning to stay in Orleans to research their ancestors from there. But when I looked at the actual documents, I was quickly able to determine that they were actually from the island of Oleron (near La Rochelle and hundreds of miles from Orleans)! Luckily the clients were able to tack on an expensive side trip and were quite pleased with the final result.</p>
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		<title>By: Alvie L. Davidson CG</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/genealogy-free-2012-update/#comment-11711</link>
		<dc:creator>Alvie L. Davidson CG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading the original posting by Thomas MacEntee as well as those who posted their thoughts I have to say this is a great string of comments on and by the professionals.  Dee Dee King has spoken my sentiments exactly.  I have never publicly posted my fees or charges for that is my business and is to be discussed between my and all my clientele.  
When I purchase an airline ticket I dont ask why on earth do they charge this fee.  I just buy it and board the plane for I get what I pay for.
I am vacationing in Colorado now and what I enjoy I have to pay for so if my genealogy clientele wants to enjoy my genealogy product they must pay for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the original posting by Thomas MacEntee as well as those who posted their thoughts I have to say this is a great string of comments on and by the professionals.  Dee Dee King has spoken my sentiments exactly.  I have never publicly posted my fees or charges for that is my business and is to be discussed between my and all my clientele.<br />
When I purchase an airline ticket I dont ask why on earth do they charge this fee.  I just buy it and board the plane for I get what I pay for.<br />
I am vacationing in Colorado now and what I enjoy I have to pay for so if my genealogy clientele wants to enjoy my genealogy product they must pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenna Pearce</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/genealogy-free-2012-update/#comment-11710</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenna Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an issue that I feel somewhat strongly about. I hope I&#039;m not coming across as overly strident in my own defense, but in my view, the paradigm of the paid researcher in the industry is what I call the “dusty archives” or the “purely academic” researcher. Most do it part-time and have a day job, and many hobbyists expect that type of service when looking for a professional. The part-time researchers are often associated with museums, libraries, and local genealogical societies. They charge, in my area anyway, about $20 an hour to do limited research. I think that a lot of professional genealogists see this type of researcher as their competition, and price that way. Being a full-time professional is much the same as one poster here commented about being a professional musician and being asked “what’s your day job?”. 

I would suggest that we full-time professionals are more like real estate agents. Sure, you can buy or sell a house without one, but they know their markets, their industry, and they can save you a lot of time and grief. Also important is the fact that they’re in it for profit, not to do the home buyer/seller, a free favour. For most people who don’t know the real estate market they are well worth the fees they charge.

Likewise, my business is here so that when a hobbyist gets stuck, they can get over the hurdle. I’m here to do the research for people who want to learn more about their families, but don’t have the knowledge or the time or the inclination to do the research themselves. I’m also someone who can save them hours and hours of time because I, like a real estate agent, know my industry, the pitfalls to avoid, and what resources are available. 

Most hobbyists don’t seem to have a problem with paying a subscription fee to the big online family history services. A hobbyist could pay five years’ worth of subscription fees to find what I could find in a day or two (I’ve seen this). They also perhaps don’t recognize that these companies have in fact monetized many resources that are free to researchers in their national or provincial/state archives, local museum archives, etc. They’re in effect paying a convenience fee so they can research from their home computer. Which is fine.It&#039;s a very workable business model.

The big companies also monetize what amounts to free research from their subscribers. I would suggest that many of their subscribers take family trees they find on these sites completely at face value, without ever vetting the research themselves. To me that’s a tragedy. Okay, now I’m getting into the territory of the dusty archives researcher, but I’m also a trained historian and I know the value of good research and good source citations. It’s the very basis of excellence in any historical research endeavor.

If you’re a hobbyist and want to go it alone, great, but you shouldn’t expect a full-time professional to do you a free favour. If you were selling your house, you wouldn’t go to the local realty office and ask them to list your house for free would you? This is my career. I do this for a living. I don’t feel guilty about charging a fee, and I think that my service is a quality service and well worth every penny I charge. I have nothing against the part-time researcher who does it for free or for a low fee at the local genealogical society. But we’re not competitors. 

So just call me a retail genealogist. It&#039;s the new paradigm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an issue that I feel somewhat strongly about. I hope I&#8217;m not coming across as overly strident in my own defense, but in my view, the paradigm of the paid researcher in the industry is what I call the “dusty archives” or the “purely academic” researcher. Most do it part-time and have a day job, and many hobbyists expect that type of service when looking for a professional. The part-time researchers are often associated with museums, libraries, and local genealogical societies. They charge, in my area anyway, about $20 an hour to do limited research. I think that a lot of professional genealogists see this type of researcher as their competition, and price that way. Being a full-time professional is much the same as one poster here commented about being a professional musician and being asked “what’s your day job?”. </p>
<p>I would suggest that we full-time professionals are more like real estate agents. Sure, you can buy or sell a house without one, but they know their markets, their industry, and they can save you a lot of time and grief. Also important is the fact that they’re in it for profit, not to do the home buyer/seller, a free favour. For most people who don’t know the real estate market they are well worth the fees they charge.</p>
<p>Likewise, my business is here so that when a hobbyist gets stuck, they can get over the hurdle. I’m here to do the research for people who want to learn more about their families, but don’t have the knowledge or the time or the inclination to do the research themselves. I’m also someone who can save them hours and hours of time because I, like a real estate agent, know my industry, the pitfalls to avoid, and what resources are available. </p>
<p>Most hobbyists don’t seem to have a problem with paying a subscription fee to the big online family history services. A hobbyist could pay five years’ worth of subscription fees to find what I could find in a day or two (I’ve seen this). They also perhaps don’t recognize that these companies have in fact monetized many resources that are free to researchers in their national or provincial/state archives, local museum archives, etc. They’re in effect paying a convenience fee so they can research from their home computer. Which is fine.It&#8217;s a very workable business model.</p>
<p>The big companies also monetize what amounts to free research from their subscribers. I would suggest that many of their subscribers take family trees they find on these sites completely at face value, without ever vetting the research themselves. To me that’s a tragedy. Okay, now I’m getting into the territory of the dusty archives researcher, but I’m also a trained historian and I know the value of good research and good source citations. It’s the very basis of excellence in any historical research endeavor.</p>
<p>If you’re a hobbyist and want to go it alone, great, but you shouldn’t expect a full-time professional to do you a free favour. If you were selling your house, you wouldn’t go to the local realty office and ask them to list your house for free would you? This is my career. I do this for a living. I don’t feel guilty about charging a fee, and I think that my service is a quality service and well worth every penny I charge. I have nothing against the part-time researcher who does it for free or for a low fee at the local genealogical society. But we’re not competitors. </p>
<p>So just call me a retail genealogist. It&#8217;s the new paradigm.</p>
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		<title>By: erica</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/genealogy-free-2012-update/#comment-11709</link>
		<dc:creator>erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kay
you sound like  you have some of the same folks around you that I do. I&quot;m taking courses, listening to webinars, blogging, and working with others (my &quot;co-conspirators&quot;  who are trying to break down some of our brick walls).   Folks are surprised that there are courses to take [what is there to learn about census?]
I&#039;m not putting myself out as a paid genealogist at this point, but I do tackle my friend&#039;s challenges and work with others in addition to my own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kay<br />
you sound like  you have some of the same folks around you that I do. I&#8221;m taking courses, listening to webinars, blogging, and working with others (my &#8220;co-conspirators&#8221;  who are trying to break down some of our brick walls).   Folks are surprised that there are courses to take [what is there to learn about census?]<br />
I&#8217;m not putting myself out as a paid genealogist at this point, but I do tackle my friend&#8217;s challenges and work with others in addition to my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Rudolph</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/genealogy-free-2012-update/#comment-11708</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay Rudolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a public misperception about what being a professional genealogist involves. I retired recently and told my family that I have decided to study to become a professional genealogist. I have been taking classes, reading, watching webinars (yes, lots of free ones!), researching, and volunteering at the local FHC for about a year now, and I think that with another year of full-time study I’ll be ready to take paying clients. My relatives are perplexed at what’s taking me so long: “What do you need to know to be a genealogist?” they wonder. Little old ladies have been doing it for decades. Surely if a little old lady can be a genealogist, anyone can. Friends can be even more condescending: genealogy is HOBBY, it isn’t a proper profession. And frankly, many hobbyist genealogists are the worst: Why would anyone ever need to hire a professional genealogist when all you have to do is look up your family tree on myheritage.com and its all there! 

The client base of people who understand that genealogy is a branch of history with all the concomitant demands for education and expertise is small. We need to educate the general public to increase their perception about what good genealogical research means, why good research is valuable, and why the services of a good professional genealogist (whether hired to conduct research or to provide training) is worthwhile. It’s a case of supply and demand: we need a critical consumer base that recognizes the value of professional genealogical research, and is willing to pay for it. 

A few months ago, my local genealogical society invited a speaker from a DNA testing lab to make a presentation to our group. The speaker didn’t know the difference between autosomal DNA testing and Y-DNA testing, but then, neither did most of the audience and the presentation was free (free advertising for the company, really) and everyone was very happy. 

Sigh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a public misperception about what being a professional genealogist involves. I retired recently and told my family that I have decided to study to become a professional genealogist. I have been taking classes, reading, watching webinars (yes, lots of free ones!), researching, and volunteering at the local FHC for about a year now, and I think that with another year of full-time study I’ll be ready to take paying clients. My relatives are perplexed at what’s taking me so long: “What do you need to know to be a genealogist?” they wonder. Little old ladies have been doing it for decades. Surely if a little old lady can be a genealogist, anyone can. Friends can be even more condescending: genealogy is HOBBY, it isn’t a proper profession. And frankly, many hobbyist genealogists are the worst: Why would anyone ever need to hire a professional genealogist when all you have to do is look up your family tree on myheritage.com and its all there! </p>
<p>The client base of people who understand that genealogy is a branch of history with all the concomitant demands for education and expertise is small. We need to educate the general public to increase their perception about what good genealogical research means, why good research is valuable, and why the services of a good professional genealogist (whether hired to conduct research or to provide training) is worthwhile. It’s a case of supply and demand: we need a critical consumer base that recognizes the value of professional genealogical research, and is willing to pay for it. </p>
<p>A few months ago, my local genealogical society invited a speaker from a DNA testing lab to make a presentation to our group. The speaker didn’t know the difference between autosomal DNA testing and Y-DNA testing, but then, neither did most of the audience and the presentation was free (free advertising for the company, really) and everyone was very happy. </p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan LeBlanc</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/genealogy-free-2012-update/#comment-11707</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan LeBlanc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love teaching and sharing my knowledge. Everyday I am researching on a variety of websites. My favorite saying is, &quot;Free is the best price, so start there.&quot; Then one must decide by priority what they can afford from there. I am grateful for the Internet and where it has gone for genealogists in the past ten years. What we have available today was not even imagined ten years ago. Thank you Thomas for this post on resources and being professional in what we do as genealogists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love teaching and sharing my knowledge. Everyday I am researching on a variety of websites. My favorite saying is, &#8220;Free is the best price, so start there.&#8221; Then one must decide by priority what they can afford from there. I am grateful for the Internet and where it has gone for genealogists in the past ten years. What we have available today was not even imagined ten years ago. Thank you Thomas for this post on resources and being professional in what we do as genealogists.</p>
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		<title>By: Concetta Phillipps</title>
		<link>http://geneabloggers.com/genealogy-free-2012-update/#comment-11706</link>
		<dc:creator>Concetta Phillipps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Michael Hait,

I agree, what you said eloquently and professionally makes sense.

Part of my trouble with them is, had they said something akin to what you did so eloquently, I would have had zero problems with handing over all of my records and letting them look through them to their hearts content. Instead, their responses were short and said just what I listed, that they wanted to look at this one microfilm. Had the message been more professional, I wouldn&#039;t have thought twice about it. I&#039;m guessing I ran into a few people that Loretta Gillespie mentioned - folks that are new to the business, did the minimum amount of marketing and research to get onto the local gen society&#039;s recommendation list, and that&#039;s it. 

I&#039;m not afraid to admit I need help, or that I think my look is comprehensive. But there&#039;s a big difference between sending a potential client with no explanation a bill for $60 and sending a potential client an email with how you&#039;d like to re-review the sources for potential new finds, and how as a professional, you can spot things that an amateur can&#039;t, and then attaching the bill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael Hait,</p>
<p>I agree, what you said eloquently and professionally makes sense.</p>
<p>Part of my trouble with them is, had they said something akin to what you did so eloquently, I would have had zero problems with handing over all of my records and letting them look through them to their hearts content. Instead, their responses were short and said just what I listed, that they wanted to look at this one microfilm. Had the message been more professional, I wouldn&#8217;t have thought twice about it. I&#8217;m guessing I ran into a few people that Loretta Gillespie mentioned &#8211; folks that are new to the business, did the minimum amount of marketing and research to get onto the local gen society&#8217;s recommendation list, and that&#8217;s it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not afraid to admit I need help, or that I think my look is comprehensive. But there&#8217;s a big difference between sending a potential client with no explanation a bill for $60 and sending a potential client an email with how you&#8217;d like to re-review the sources for potential new finds, and how as a professional, you can spot things that an amateur can&#8217;t, and then attaching the bill.</p>
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